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Rightie-Leftie
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JulieW8
2004-02-04 15:05:10 UTC
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My SIL gave me a book one Christmas called "Lefties: the origins and
consequences of being left-handed," by Jack Fincher." It's a much more
serious look at things than I usually read (which is why I hadn't read
it) but I ran out of things to read in the bathroom. <G>

I hadn't realized how complicated the issue was until I read this
book.

In one survey of the supposedly easy question of which hand they were
better with, the subjects were wrong in a quarter to half the cases
when they were tested. One psychologist defines handedness in terms of
the hand preferred in learning new tasks. Another defines it in terms
of the one that excels in fine and precise movements, such as
threading a needle. Still others define it in terms of relative
strength and dexterity of the two hands. Almost none of them agree on
how to phrase a questionnaire to winnow out crucial distinctions. For
example, questions neglect untaught tasks such as which hand you use
to brush your teeth or strike a match. They also don't take into
consideration the selection of tasks, cultural differences and learned
skills, such as right-handed man who deals cards left-handed because
that's how he learned from his father. One pair of researchers found
the more direct the investigation, the more numerous the tests and the
less they concern learned movements, the larger the proportion of left
handedness.

And most people, righties and lefties, switch hands for different
tasks and display varying degrees of ambidexterity. One group of
researchers were frustrated by what they saw as a number of subjects
whose right- and left-sidedness was confused.

One test seems to be most decisive. Called the Torque Test, it is
performed on children and has the child draw some X's, circle them and
then sign their name with first one hand and then the other. The
strength and control in handwriting indicates preferred hand, but the
drawing of the circles indicates something else: the brain
organization underlying the natural tendency before the onset of
socialization. The child may do many or most things with the right
hand, yet be a left-hander at heart. Right-handers consistently draw
their circles counterclockwise, left-handers tend to draw them
clockwise.

The kind of task in testing handedness is also crucial. In one study,
depending on which of three measures were used to make the
identification, the percentage of left-handers ranged from 2% to 35%!
A motor task as simple as flexing a single finger can throw the
statistician into quandary. Right-handers are better at it - but with
their left hand. One researcher found in testing one group of students
that 20% were left-handed, while in another comparable group he found
none. And it gets worse - in a test of 57 children between the ages of
5-1/2 and 13, another researcher found left-hand superiority in 16 of
them. A year later he went back - and found it in only one.

So I continue to write lefty, kick righty, play baseball
ambidextrously and shoot pool ambilaterally!
Jeannie H Wilson
2004-02-04 15:37:56 UTC
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Post by JulieW8
So I continue to write lefty, kick righty, play baseball
ambidextrously and shoot pool ambilaterally!
I write with my right hand..kick right footed, but in gymnastics I could only
do cartwheels, tumbling, etc the same as a left-handed person. Seems funny but
you should see my try to do a cart-wheel the way I am "supposed" to do it based
on my dominant "right".
RaeMorrill
2004-02-04 16:16:19 UTC
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Seems funny but
you should see my try to do a cart-wheel the way I am "supposed" to do it based
on my dominant "right". >>

DO you mean if you're right handed you would start the cartwheel on the right
hand? I can't and never could do a cartwheel, but on trying I'd go to left hand
first.

Rae Morrill in Maine
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Margie
2004-02-04 16:48:56 UTC
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I was interested in the tooth brushing question. On which side of
your bathroom sink do you keep your toothbrush? And is this by your
choice or because there is a wall-mounted holder that was there when
you got there? Mine's on the left. I'm a full-on lefty (although my
circles are counter-clockwise). I do absolutely everything with my
left hand, but 9 years of piano lessons and 140 wpm typing speed
surely indicate that I can do at least *some* things with my right
hand. (And BTW, I use only my left thumb on the space bar.)
Fascinating stuff, Julie.

Margie
Post by Jeannie H Wilson
Seems funny but
you should see my try to do a cart-wheel the way I am "supposed" to do it based
on my dominant "right". >>
DO you mean if you're right handed you would start the cartwheel on the right
hand? I can't and never could do a cartwheel, but on trying I'd go to left hand
first.
Rae Morrill in Maine
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Becky Young
2004-02-04 18:22:11 UTC
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If you're a rightie, you never even think about these things. I have a
wall-mounted bracket for my toothbrush.

I am such a rightie that I've sworn my left upper extremity is for cosmetic
purposes only. I can do NOTHING with my left hand, NOTHING. I can't even use
the left thumb for the spacebar.
Post by Margie
was interested in the tooth brushing question. On which side of
your bathroom sink do you keep your toothbrush? And is this by your
choice or because there is a wall-mounted holder that was there when
you got there? Mine's on the left. I'm a full-on lefty (although my
circles are counter-clockwise). I do absolutely everything with my
left hand, but 9 years of piano lessons and 140 wpm typing speed
surely indicate that I can do at least *some* things with my right
hand. (And BTW, I use only my left thumb on the space bar.)
Fascinating stuff, Julie.
Becky Young
Jeannie H Wilson
2004-02-04 19:09:20 UTC
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Post by Margie
. (And BTW, I use only my left thumb on the space bar.)
I could never use my left thumb for the space bar - even when my right one has
a blister or something that makes it hurt every time I hit the darned thing. I
have tried and even concentrating as hard as I possibly can, I cannot use my
left thumb for the space bar!!
SANDITYPES
2004-02-04 19:02:26 UTC
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Post by RaeMorrill
DO you mean if you're right handed you would start the cartwheel on the right
hand? I can't and never could do a cartwheel, but on trying I'd go to left hand
first.
Yep, I've never ever ever been able to do a cartwheel to the left OR do the
splits with my left foot forward. I'm so right-handed it's pathetic. It's a
shock I can type or play the piano.

Of course, while I can still type and play the piano, the cartwheels and splits
have, shall we say, suffered a bit. :)

Sandi
Jeannie H Wilson
2004-02-04 19:11:06 UTC
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Post by SANDITYPES
Yep, I've never ever ever been able to do a cartwheel to the left OR do the
splits with my left foot forward. I'm so right-handed it's pathetic. It's a
shock I can type or play the piano.
Didn't think about the split thing. I just tried and I automatically put my
left foot forward! Too funny - I cannot even do simple things with my left
hand and when I hurt my mouth, had a hard time even trying to chew strictly on
my left side, trying to bite into something like a "leftie" etc. But....fall
on my face if I try to do anything but a "leftie" cartwheel and cannot do a
split with right foot forward.
RaeMorrill
2004-02-04 19:27:58 UTC
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Didn't think about the split thing. I just tried and I automatically put my
left foot forward! Too funn>>

I can't do them either, but that's what I would be inclined to do.

Then there's mounting a horse. Of course it is customary to mount from the
left, so that is what everyone learns, but it is a good idea to have a horse
accustomed to the other way if needed. I have tried it and it feels just so
awkward

Rae Morrill in Maine
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Jeannie H Wilson
2004-02-04 19:45:11 UTC
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Post by RaeMorrill
Then there's mounting a horse. Of course it is customary to mount from the
left, so that is what everyone learns
I remember hurting my left knee a few years ago and trying to mount the horse
from the other side and use my right leg for the "lift" - I felt like a fish
out of water and ended up getting a leg-up by bending my left leg and having
someone literally shove me up there from the "right" side.
Cathy M. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:16:33 UTC
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Post by Jeannie H Wilson
you should see my try to do a cart-wheel the way I am "supposed" to do it based
on my dominant "right".
Have you done a cartwheel lately? My 5 y.o. recently started gymnastics. I
was playing with her the other day and thought I would try one, as in the past
I was very inclined toward tumbling. Bad idea. I'm 29 and probably haven't
done a cartwheel in at least 10 years. It hurt and made me dizzy. I'll not do
that again.

Cathy
Jeannie H Wilson
2004-02-04 19:19:41 UTC
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Post by Cathy M. Johnson
Have you done a cartwheel lately? My 5 y.o. recently started gymnastics. I
was playing with her the other day and thought I would try one, as in the past
I was very inclined toward
Yes, I have and it was quite painful for the left leg - felt like I ripped the
hamstring muscle right apart!!

I remember my mom doing cartwheels and stuff with me when I started
cheerleading and gymnastics and wondered how she did it...then I remembered
that she had me at 19 and I had my son at 27. No wonder I cannot live up to
the "image" I had of what a mom should be able to do!
Becky Young
2004-02-04 19:54:14 UTC
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Post by Cathy M. Johnson
Have you done a cartwheel lately? My 5 y.o. recently started gymnastics. I
was playing with her the other day and thought I would try one, as in the past
I was very inclined toward tumbling. Bad idea. I'm 29 and probably haven't
done a cartwheel in at least 10 years. It hurt and made me dizzy. I'll not do
that again.
A cartwheel? I couldn't do a cartwheel in my finest hour.

Becky <== Hardly cheerleader material.

Becky Young
Alise
2004-02-06 04:29:06 UTC
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Post by Jeannie H Wilson
I write with my right hand..kick right footed, but in gymnastics I could only
do cartwheels, tumbling, etc the same as a left-handed person. Seems funny but
you should see my try to do a cart-wheel the way I am "supposed" to do it based
on my dominant "right".
I am the same way. I have to put my left hand down first on a cartwheel.

I write with my right hand, and I make my O's counter-clockwise like a
normal right-hander. In kindergarten, though, I remember my teacher saying
I drew my O's backward. I thought it was odd that she was concerned about
that.

I take pictures with my left eye. I listen on the phone with my left ear.

I open jars by holding them with my right hand and twisting the top off with
my left hand (counterclockwise). Is this what most right-handers do?

I generally put my left sock on first, then my right sock, then my left
shoe, then my right shoe.

I often have to look at a scar on my right hand to determine which hand is
my right hand/ which direction is to the right.

The Other Kim
2004-02-04 17:59:49 UTC
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Julie wrote:

<snip of good stuff to check out later>
Post by JulieW8
So I continue to write lefty, kick righty, play baseball
ambidextrously and shoot pool ambilaterally!
I'm a mess <g> I'm dominantly right-handed when it comes to writing - I
can't even hold a pencil properly in my left hand, but I may try that X
and circle thing - but I'm left-eyed when shooting archery and when
using a microscope, telescope, or camera. When taking roller skating
lessons as a kid I always turned opposite of what the instructor was
teaching, as that was my natural tendency; my spins always started on my
left foot and went counter-clockwise, when the instructor was teaching
right foot and clockwise. My left hand works just fine when doing
something that requires both hands to be working together but is
absolutely spastic when needing to act independently; I can play guitar
but not piano for this reason.

I think I'll be checking out this book, as my curiosity has been roused
<g>

The Other Kim
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Gdubson
2004-02-04 18:16:08 UTC
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I haven't tried the X and circle thing, just reading about it makes me motion
sick!

Gisele (mostly lefty)
Eliyahu Rooff
2004-02-04 18:25:22 UTC
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Post by The Other Kim
<snip of good stuff to check out later>
Post by JulieW8
So I continue to write lefty, kick righty, play baseball
ambidextrously and shoot pool ambilaterally!
I'm a mess <g> I'm dominantly right-handed when it comes to
writing - I
Post by The Other Kim
can't even hold a pencil properly in my left hand, but I may try that X
and circle thing - but I'm left-eyed when shooting archery and
when
Post by The Other Kim
using a microscope, telescope, or camera. When taking roller
skating
Post by The Other Kim
lessons as a kid I always turned opposite of what the instructor was
teaching, as that was my natural tendency; my spins always started on my
left foot and went counter-clockwise, when the instructor was
teaching
Post by The Other Kim
right foot and clockwise. My left hand works just fine when doing
something that requires both hands to be working together but is
absolutely spastic when needing to act independently; I can play guitar
but not piano for this reason.
Welcome to the club... Being raised right-handed probably didn't
help, but I also do things in a mix of left and right. I hadn't even
thought about skating, but realized when I read your comment that I
can't even attempt a right-handed spin or reverse on skates, and my
arabesque always had to have the left foot down to keep from falling
on my face. Strongly left-eye dominant for everything, I golf
right-handed but throw better left-handed, catch better with my left
hand, but just observed that the shiny spot on my space bar here is
on the right side... I also use the phone on my left ear, but that's
because my hearing loss on the right is more severe than on the
left. (OTOH, I held the phone on the left side as a kid, too, so it
might be legit.) There are a lot of things we do with one hand and
not the other simply because of the constraints of equipment
design -- location of the crank on a manual can opener, location of
the shift lever in the car, design of any Microsoft mouse or
trackball, etc.

Eliyahu
CyberCafe
2004-02-04 19:20:47 UTC
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Post by JulieW8
My SIL gave me a book one Christmas called "Lefties: the origins and
consequences of being left-handed," by Jack Fincher." It's a much more
serious look at things than I usually read (which is why I hadn't read
it) but I ran out of things to read in the bathroom. <G>
I hadn't realized how complicated the issue was until I read this
book.
In one survey of the supposedly easy question of which hand they were
better with, the subjects were wrong in a quarter to half the cases
when they were tested. One psychologist defines handedness in terms of
the hand preferred in learning new tasks. Another defines it in terms
of the one that excels in fine and precise movements, such as
threading a needle. Still others define it in terms of relative
strength and dexterity of the two hands. Almost none of them agree on
how to phrase a questionnaire to winnow out crucial distinctions. For
example, questions neglect untaught tasks such as which hand you use
to brush your teeth or strike a match. They also don't take into
consideration the selection of tasks, cultural differences and learned
skills, such as right-handed man who deals cards left-handed because
that's how he learned from his father. One pair of researchers found
the more direct the investigation, the more numerous the tests and the
less they concern learned movements, the larger the proportion of left
handedness.
And most people, righties and lefties, switch hands for different
tasks and display varying degrees of ambidexterity. One group of
researchers were frustrated by what they saw as a number of subjects
whose right- and left-sidedness was confused.
One test seems to be most decisive. Called the Torque Test, it is
performed on children and has the child draw some X's, circle them and
then sign their name with first one hand and then the other. The
strength and control in handwriting indicates preferred hand, but the
drawing of the circles indicates something else: the brain
organization underlying the natural tendency before the onset of
socialization. The child may do many or most things with the right
hand, yet be a left-hander at heart. Right-handers consistently draw
their circles counterclockwise, left-handers tend to draw them
clockwise.
The kind of task in testing handedness is also crucial. In one study,
depending on which of three measures were used to make the
identification, the percentage of left-handers ranged from 2% to 35%!
A motor task as simple as flexing a single finger can throw the
statistician into quandary. Right-handers are better at it - but with
their left hand. One researcher found in testing one group of students
that 20% were left-handed, while in another comparable group he found
none. And it gets worse - in a test of 57 children between the ages of
5-1/2 and 13, another researcher found left-hand superiority in 16 of
them. A year later he went back - and found it in only one.
So I continue to write lefty, kick righty, play baseball
ambidextrously and shoot pool ambilaterally!
That was interesting information. I was a lefty until third grade. The
school and my mom turned me into a righty but only for writing. I still
can't draw with my right hand though.

Barb
Bob
2004-02-05 03:20:27 UTC
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Marina said she didn't realize what a right-handed world we live in until
she married me. Of course, by the time most lefties reach adulthood,
they've become somewhat ambidextrous.

Bob/Texas
Ed Chait
2004-02-05 05:39:03 UTC
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I was born in Argentina in the 1950's, where being a lefty was still
considered somewhat sinister.

When I would reach for something with my left hand, my parents wouldn't give
it to me, and they probably also used other draconian measures to re-train
me.

The end result of all this is that I am fairly ambidextrous, and it also
gives me a great excuse for having this twisted psyche.

Ed
Bob
2004-02-06 02:58:17 UTC
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Post by Ed Chait
I was born in Argentina in the 1950's, where being a lefty was still
considered somewhat sinister.
When I would reach for something with my left hand, my parents wouldn't give
it to me, and they probably also used other draconian measures to re-train
me.
The end result of all this is that I am fairly ambidextrous, and it also
gives me a great excuse for having this twisted psyche.
Ed
My Father-in-law was born in Buenos Aires in 1923. He was a lefty and got
treated the same way.

Bob/Texas
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